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Posted: June-15-2009 at 2:20pm | IP Logged Quote Bobby Gobble  

When big Bryce Harper made the cover of Sports Illustrated two weeks ago, I knew we'd soon again be hearing from the 16-year-old 'chosen one.'

But not quite this soon.

On Sunday, the sophomore from Las Vegas found his way into national headlines again when his father announced that Bryce will forgo his final two years of high school and use a GED to enroll in a community college this August. Though it more or less makes a mockery of our education system, the Harpers' plan would make Bryce eligible for the 2010 draft, where he could conceivably be the Nationals' No. 1 pick and eventually join forces with Stephen Strasburg to save Washington baseball from itself.

It's a controversial decision, to be sure, but Ron Harper says he and his son are prepared to hear from the inevitable haters.



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Posted: June-15-2009 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote Rowdy Estep  

this has been a hot topic on espn.  I can see the pros and cons of this decision.

We all know that alot of kids that are involved in sports through high school and are cut major slack on their grades and everything.  Sometimes they provide a major distraction to the rest of the class, so taking the joker element out of it can sometimes benefit in helping the rest of the class learn.

Plus sometimes a kid reaches his maximum learning potential early on, maybe this young man is already there and his parents feel that the decision to keep him in high school may halt his development in baseball.  The parents have the final say and if they feel its right for their kid to get a GED and start going to community college and soon be in the majors then its their decision.

Im pretty sure this is not the first time this has happened, maybe RW can back me up since hes the sports major on here, but this has happened in baseball and basketball as well hasnt it?

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Posted: June-16-2009 at 2:20am | IP Logged Quote RW  

Hey Bobby, I'd read about Bryce Harper and the situation with him. The deal with him being 16 years old and quitting school, that's a bad decision (I think.). Not just Harper, but for anybody to quit school is a dumb decision. I don't know the rules regarding a GED, but how can a minor (under age 18), quit school and obtain a GED? I guess I just figured you had to at least be 18 years old to get a GED? So I don't know how the kid's going to be able to get a GED and then enroll in a community college. What I don't understand about the situation is, high school baseball players can be selected in the Major League Baseball Draft, unlike in the NFL or NBA. Heck, look at some of those teenage Dominican Republic baseball players who get drafted. 
 
When high school basketball players were eligible to go straight into the NBA, over the years you've had several do that.
 
Being we're similar in age and I was in high school the same time-frame (I graduated high school in 1976), I followed the jump into the NBA back in 1974 by Petersburg (Va.) High School phenom Moses Malone. Malone played his first couple of years pro basketball if I'm not mistaken with the ABA's Utah Stars (I loved those red-white-blue basketballs). He moved over to the NBA and enjoyed individual and team success with the Philadelphia 76ers, winning an NBA championship and he was also named NBA Most Valuable Player, I'm thinking three times. I was fortunate enough to get to see Malone and Dr. J (Julius Erving) play on two occasions, each time against the Atlanta Hawks. This while the Hawks had "The Human Highlight Reel" Dominique Wilkins. It just so happened when me and some buddies were down in Atlanta for the fall NASCAR races we'd always attend for many years, the Hawks had home basketball games. And we got to see Dr. J play two times. Dr. J is another player who was in the ABA, with the New Jersey Nets before he switched to the NBA and with the 76ers.
 
You've also had Kevin Garnett jump straight from high school into the NBA and be a successful player. Look at Andrew Bynum with the Los Angeles Lakers, he went from high school to the NBA and he's contributed to the Lakers' success and he's now got a championship ring.
 
But there have been several high school basketball players enter the NBA and be huge flops. The first that comes to my mind is Kwame Brown. I believe he played high school ball in Savannah, Ga., or somewhere in Georgia. When Michael Jordan was with the Washington Wizards (To me they'll always be the Bullets. I really liked the Bullets when I was growing up. Wes Unseld was a heck of a good player. Earl "The Pearl" Monroe even was a Bullet before being traded to the NY Knicks), Jordan's the reason the Wizards selected Brown. Something you can say about Brown though, he's the only high school basketball player to "ever" be the first pick in the NBA Draft. After a few unproductive seasons in Washington, where Brown fussed and argued with teammates, was booed by the crowd constantly, and he even was "ready to get it on" and fight Gilbert Arenas, the Wizards traded Brown to the Lakers. And he's not done well in Los Angeles, either. Andrew Bynum replaced Brown as the team's starting center.
 
And another high school player who entered the NBA with a big buildup and hasn't lived up to his billing is Sebastian Telfair. I believe he graduated high school in like 2004 or '05. I remember watching a documentary on Telfair when he was in high school, and how he lived in a housing project where many killings took place, etc. His older brothers looked out for Sebastian, because they saw his talent and knew he could be their ticket out of the project with a mulitimillion dollar contract in the NBA. Telfair was picked by the Portland Trail Blazers, and in a couple of seasons he just really never fit in and was traded to the Boston Celtics. He didn't last long in Beantown, and I believe he's now with Toronto, maybe Minnesota.
 
But I guess probably the most shocking deal I've ever heard about is Jeremy Tyler, the high school junior in San Diego, Calif., who plans to drop out of school and go overseas and play professional basketball. Reports are he's 6-foot-11 and a very good basketball player. I know Louisville coach Rick Pitino isn't pleased with the situation, as Tyler had indicated to Pitino he would become a Cardinal once he graduated high school. Tyler was projected to be the best big-man college recruit in next year's class. Is Tyler ready to play pro basketball? I find it hard to believe he is.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Brandon Jennings kid who played his prep basketball in Southwest Virginia at Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson. I saw a piece just last week on TV about Jennings, who's from Los Angeles and last years he became the first high school graduate to skip college and play pro ball in Europe. What I saw on TV said Jennings is projected as a high pick in the upcoming NBA Draft. He's a point guard.  
 
There are many other situations of high school basketball players not being able to make it in the NBA. I don't really know what the answer is. If it was left up to me, though, I'd make the rule that no athlete would be eligible to turn pro in any sport until following their senior year in college. Oh, you hear athletes saying they're wanting to turn pro to get the money to help their family. That's great, for those who get selected high enough to get contracts rich enough so that they will be set for life. But take basketball, for example. Look at how many NBA teams there are, and look at all the college basketball players in the country. Look at the very small percentage of college players who will actually be drafted. Unlike the NFL and MLB drafts, in the NBA you only have two rounds ... that's it.
 
I don't think it's right for high school athletes (basketball players), to sign with a college and play one year and then turn pro. The college's have made investments in the kids, giving them the opportunity to get an EDUCATION while playing a sport. But then you've got those who say that colleges are only exploiting their athletes to help the institutions make a lot of money. You hear talk all the time about college athletes receiving some kind of payment from the schools to help them with daily living expenses. Personally, I think that should happen. I'm not talking about giving the kids a lot of money. Say give each athlete $50 a week. That's nothing when you look at all the millions college athletics produces. Just look in Knoxville at the University of Tennessee football program, with 100,000-plus attending games. Look at the revenue seven home games a year produces. Look what successfull college basketball programs generate in revenue.
 
Something I don't agree with is, college coaches and all the money they earn. Sure, if they produce good results in turn that brings in a lot of dollars. But are schools in the athletic business or are they institutions of higher learning? Should a football or basketball coach earn more money than the president of the university? Or earn more than professors?
 
I'll leave with this: "BugMan," what about the situation regarding your fellow hometown (Huntington, W.Va.) athlete ... O.J. Mayo, leaving Southern Cal after just one season to enter the NBA. Look at what's unfolded in Los Angeles regarding Mayo, reportedly receiving illegal compensation during his one season as a USC Trojan. Now Coach Tim Floyd has resigned. So that sure doesn't look good for the basketball program. It definitely appears something illegal has occured.
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Posted: June-16-2009 at 4:28am | IP Logged Quote BugMan  

Let's get this party started. I have a question of my own for everyone. How about we look in our own back yard for just a second. In other words, let's look at NASCAR:

Is it fair (even though auto racing is not a college sport) that Joey Logano (and others before him) at his age can immediately start making millions by simple virtue of which sport he chose early on in life just like baseball, football, and basketball players did? Is it fair at all that kids whom are good enough to play in their respective professional sport now must attend college first, but if you drive for NASCAR you don't?

Bryce Harper is a whale of a baseball player and maybe the best prospect in history in his respective sport. Is it fair though however, that in other sports, these kids must attend college in order to play football or basketball while a professional race car driver can compete at 18 with zero college?

The debate has gone on for years about kids chucking scholarships for big money, but yet in the sport of professional stock car racing, there is no requirement other than being 18 years of age. Zero college requirements when it comes to its main position? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Onward! Here is a link to the latest update I could find on Harper:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mlb/2009/06/baseball_phenom_bryce_harper_t.html

From what I'm reading, this kid is pushing himself about as hard academically as he is on the field. How many kids would actually take a chance like this? How many kids are smart enough to drop and enroll in college pending GED outcome?

This kid is smart. It's not like he's going to steal some scholarship for his freshman year, stick it to a major university (the kid is enrolling at Southern Nevada for Pete's sake), then move on. Baseball scholarships work far different from football and basketball as several players may share parts of the same one. Very few players are on full rides at most programs because of College Baseball not being a big-time income-producing sport.

MLB has had more kids come out of high school than you think. Many players have and still go from High School straight into the Minor Leagues. Several (including Tennessee QB Mike Rozier) have signed fairly lucrative contracts only to (just like college basketball) return to college to play another sport.

College Baseball just can't be lumped into the same scenario as say basketball for example because baseball on campus doesn't produce near the financial windfall for the college that FB and BB do. Harper could feasibly move on to MLB now, but he's basically from what I can see "testing" his talent step by step, which is smart. Look-it ya'll, the kid just hit over .600. Is there anything else left to prove at the High School level?

Bottom line... in any college sport, if the university is going to continue to dole out the scholarship, you can't fault the kids for going after financial independence if they're good enough to move on early. This includes all sports IMHO. They're not "stealing" a ride from an academic achiever because of the way college sports are structured, i.e. athletic and academic scholarships.

Speaking of stealing, is NASCAR stealing an education from a kid like Logano by letting him in without any college? Do the rules of other professional sports infringe on a talented kid's ability to play now and earn financial independence?

When put in this manner, it all kind of sounds silly doesn't it? That's because the colleges don't care. They want their cut too. Just follow the money if you don't believe me.

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Posted: June-16-2009 at 1:50pm | IP Logged Quote Robbie Henry  

When I was 16 I was going to drop out of school and join the circus and nobody cared! Where were you guys when I needed you???  

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Posted: June-16-2009 at 2:13pm | IP Logged Quote BugMan  

ROFL!!
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Posted: June-16-2009 at 8:37pm | IP Logged Quote Bobby Gobble  

I just think these kids need to finish atleast high school.

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Posted: June-16-2009 at 9:34pm | IP Logged Quote RW  

I agree with things you said "BugMan," and also with Bobby saying the kids at least need to finish high school.

Hey Robbie, what were you wanting to do in the circus? Be one of those daredevils that ride motorcycles inside that cage. Being you've raced cars, c'mon and admit it ... you've got some daredevil in you. HA HA HA

Heck, ol' "BugMan" was even a daredevil back when Kingsport Speedway was open. I've got the photo to prove it.

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Posted: June-16-2009 at 9:40pm | IP Logged Quote RW  

"BugMan" you talk about the youth entering NASCAR. Anyone who's read this forum knows my feelings regarding youth racing full-size stock cars. I just do not believe a kid who's at least not legal driving age (16) should be permitted on a racetrack.

NASCAR had to do something age-wise, or else there would've been 16 year olds competing in the Cup Series. I know things change, and it is 2009. But I long for a different era in NASCAR racing, when you didn't have the 18 year olds getting rides in top-notch equipment. Money today is what it's all about. One thing I will say, though, is look at the majority of the young racers today. They've been racing for 10 years or more by the time they're 18 years old. Groomed racers from an early age, that's what they are.

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Posted: June-17-2009 at 6:41am | IP Logged Quote BugMan  

Actually, I don't mind the youth movement because of what you posted. They've been racing all of their lives anyway, so what the heck?

Here's the thing with Harper. If he's smart enough to do it, why not? He will still have a HS equivalent and at least some college. That's different than not having a HS education at all.

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Posted: July-11-2009 at 8:50pm | IP Logged Quote Brocephus  

To me, this is a total slap in the face... no, more like a punch in the mouth to the education system. But I guess anymore sports is all about the money...

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Posted: July-12-2009 at 6:31am | IP Logged Quote BugMan  

Now that's truer than true Bro.
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