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Posted: December-20-2009 at 4:39pm | IP Logged Quote Flipper13  

A true American Hero / Icon our kids/adults of today could learn a few things from.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjN6OIwQL7c&feature=related



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Posted: December-20-2009 at 5:00pm | IP Logged Quote Flipper13  

Here is another Great One to "Hear"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx8TkCUdh58&feature=related



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Posted: December-20-2009 at 6:23pm | IP Logged Quote tyrodtom94  

   A hero ??? He was a actor, who played heros.

   Clark Gable, and Jimmy Steward, and dozens of other less well know actors joined the service and fought in WW 2, John Wayne stayed in Hollywood and made a fortune in the movies.

  There were plenty of men in Hollywood who decided to put their career on hold and risk their life in service of their country, John Wayne wasn't one of them. I don't much of an positive example in his conduct.

   I like his movies too, I just don't confuse them with a real person.

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Posted: December-20-2009 at 6:48pm | IP Logged Quote Flipper13  

Not confused see the / , but what he stood for is 100% better than what kids Idols / Hero / Icons stand for today. Sorry you didnt like my wording in my post. But "I" wrote them and stand behind them.

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Posted: December-20-2009 at 7:13pm | IP Logged Quote SpeedRacer2  

John Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment). He could have gotten in the military though if he had requested it. He himself expressed feelings of guilt over the remainder of his life for not having served in the military during WWII. He did spend quite a bit of time in the South Pacific theater of the war in 1943-44 touring U.S. bases and hospitals, and he actually did some undercover work for OSS Commander William J. Donovan. He received a plaque for serving with the OSS.
 
Biographical accounts state that his failure to actually serve in the military during WWII was the most painful experience of his life. His third wife, Pilar Wayne wrote, "He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home." 
 


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Posted: December-20-2009 at 8:00pm | IP Logged Quote tyrodtom94  

   My  dad was 31 in 1941, married with 2 kids. It didn't prevent him  from serving.  The deferments didn't apply automatically, you had to apply for them.
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Posted: December-20-2009 at 8:55pm | IP Logged Quote SpeedRacer2  

I'm certainly not arguing a case... I just quoted from his biography, which I found to be a great read. And, it did say, as I quoted, that he always regretted the fact that he did not serve on active duty during the war. The biography also tells how the studio to which he was under contract demanded that he honor his contract with them and think about enlisting "later".  Doesn't make him a saint, and doesn't make him a bad guy either.

The age range for the draft was 17-34. He didn't get drafted because of his age. He didn't enlist, which he could have done, and he said throughout the remainder of his life that he regretted that he did not.




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Posted: December-21-2009 at 6:31pm | IP Logged Quote Van_84  

Ted Williams...

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Posted: December-21-2009 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote RW  

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Ted Williams...

And Ted's kids even have his body frozen, maybe he will be brought back to life one of these days. HA HA HA

I was reading about Ted the other day, regarding the deal with his kids. I had forgotten all about that, how they hadn't buried his body. I forget all the details now, but I believe from what I read last week, they have his head frozen. I don't know about the rest of the body, whether it was buried or cremated.

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Posted: December-21-2009 at 8:34pm | IP Logged Quote SpeedRacer2  

A Ted Williams quote which is a favorite of mine.....

"By the time you know what to do, you're too old to do it."

...and, another favorite:

"If I was being paid thirty-thousand dollars a year, the very least I could do was hit .400."



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Posted: December-22-2009 at 7:47pm | IP Logged Quote Van_84  

You know, that's a tough situation. If I was in possession of the body of the greatest hitter of all-time, I would at least think about freezing it too. Not sure if I would actually do it, but it would cross my mind. HAHA!

Ted played in a time when players played because they were players, just like when racers raced because they were racers.


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Posted: December-22-2009 at 8:26pm | IP Logged Quote SpeedRacer2  

Yes... And Ted Williams accomplished greatness in professional baseball despite the fact that he missed some of his prime years while serving twice in the military. He enlisted in the NAVY in 1944, completed filght school, became a Marine fighter pilot, and just as he was getting ready to go to war, the war ended. Then, he was called to return to duty as a fighter pilot in the Korean War where he served with distinction. According to his biography, he did have some resentment that being called back to serve in the Korean War cost him what could have been some of his best years as a player.... but Williams said that what he was called to do "needed to be done".

Williams received an Air Medal for his actions in one particular raid. During the last half of his Korean tour of duty he was also Col. John Glenn's wingman.



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Posted: December-22-2009 at 9:36pm | IP Logged Quote RW  

Hey guys, we've all seen some hitters over the years flirt with the .400 mark. Do y'all ever believe today's players will hit .400? Personally, I don't believe no one will. The reason I say that is because I believe baseball players (really professional athletes period) are moreso playing the game(s) for money, not necessarily the love of the sport.

"SpeedRacer," I saw an interview with Ted Williams in his later years ... with Ted sitting in a director's-style chair in the outfield at Fenway Park as, I'm thinking now it was Bob Costas interview him. I remember Ted was asked what he thought about salaries today's players were making, and he said "Ain't nobody worth the millions of dollars they're paid today." Well said, Mr. Williams.

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Posted: December-22-2009 at 10:20pm | IP Logged Quote Van_84  

There are a couple of players out there not that could get close to the magical .400 mark. As far as keeping it there, that's another story.

Here is a short list of players that could one day, possibly accomplish the goal if they played on a National League team with a big outfield and small foul territory area:

- Joe Mauer
- Ichiro Suzuki
- Albert Pujols

Of course, the player would also need to be protected by a deep line-up both before and (2 hitters) after their order in the line-up. Ichiro really doesn't have enough plate discipline or power to have a real shot at it though.

There are a couple others that could develop into that type of player, but need some plate maturity that should come with age.

- Matt Kemp
- Hanley Ramirez


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